Showing posts with label NACA mortgage events. Show all posts
Showing posts with label NACA mortgage events. Show all posts
Final update at end of post...

Some may recall when NACA came to Sacramento in October to help people with their mortgages. It took place over five days at Cal Expo and had thousands of people seeking help. I was one of them and I wrote about the experience here.

At the time, I was pleased with how it all turned out. They were going to give me fixed rates on my two loans instead of the adjustable I had. My friend also went and was supposed to get a deal on hers as well.

And now we are here in January, three months after the October 11th posting. What has happened? Did I get what they promised? Someone had commented on my October post that they heard that one thing happens at the NACA event and then later when you get the final paperwork it's the 'ol switcheroo, bait and switch.

Honestly, it's still being worked on! In fact, there's a chance my deal has fallen through and my file is closed - not due to me!

And there are more lessons here for people nationwide who are looking into using NACA for mortgage help, so listen up!

By late November I was wondering what was going on. I finally was told I was supposed to be keeping track on my own personal NACA file page on their website. Nice they told me. I find out that they are requesting more paperwork but that I'm not supposed to fax the bank, I'm supposed to fax it with a NACA cover sheet into the NACA system which is linked to the bank. It turns out I had to do this a couple of times. This was also a similar pattern for my friend, who was dealing with a different bank.

Finally, in the first week of December, I get a call from the bank saying the paperwork has been FedExed to me for final signing. The guy said that after he mailed it, he realized I have two different names. My mortgage was in my old married name but I had changed back to my maiden name a few years ago. He said he needed to send it over to another department to change my name and then they would send me new docs. I could review what they sent me, but those were no good with the wrong name, so I could toss them. He had also given me his direct phone extension to check in.

The terms on the paperwork were everything we had agreed on and so I was happy. I just needed the corrected docs. About a week later I get a letter requesting further identification proof. I mailed it the very next day. That was a month ago.

Last week I called and left a couple of messages. It had been three weeks since I sent the requested proof of identification. No returned calls. Then on Thursday I decide to check my NACA page to discover that the bank lady assigned to my file had closed my file saying that I had not responded to the December documents in time and so the deal had expired! What?!?!?

I frantically call and leave a message on the number I was given. I send an email via the NACA portal explaining that this is wrong since I'm waiting on new paperwork with name change. Finally I call a NACA rep and explain the situation.

NACA tells me that EVERYTHING that I do with this process needs to be documented on the NACA website. So I was supposed to have made a note on my NACA page about the name change issue, the paperwork I sent with scanned copies, etc. Nice they told me! Besides, why isn't the bank  person on the other end also making notations that he sent my  file for name change? Why should it all be on my shoulders?

The NACA rep sent my case for escalation and that's where I stand right now. I did everything I was asked to do by the bank. It's not my fault the left hand doesn't tell the right hand what they are doing and vice versa!

Meanwhile I wonder if I've lost that sweet 3.125% interest rate because of this mess. Stay tuned.

Final update 
The good: I got the 1st fixed at the 3.125%. The bad: They reneged on the promise to do my 2nd as well. It took months and was a pain in the ass and they totally bailed on the deal that was made the day of the event in October. So I'm pursuing a different route. Pershaps if that works out I will post it.
The following is my report on my progress through the NACA mortgage assistance event, including the steps involved and my happy results at the end.

I bought my piece of California five and a half years ago when the market was at the peak just before the fall. I love my bungalow. It's an Arts & Crafts 2 bed/1 bath in downtown Sacramento that had been flipped. I was able to get a house that was in my price limit that was walking distance to stores, banks, and my job, everything I needed so that I would not have to have a lot of car costs. It’s a perfect house to rent out should I ever get married or move.  I bought it with the full knowledge that I was buying an interest only loan, manipulated in a way to get me into the house, with a first and a second. But I figured that the key was to get into the property and then in five years refinance it. Then the market took a dive.

I’ve lost a third of the value of my house and so I am upside down like so many others.  Therefore, I have no equity in my house and can’t refinance. Luckily the interest rates went down so that when my rate on the first adjusted,  my payments actually went down. Great for now, but I wanted to get the rate fixed. After all, I can pay my mortgage now, but would be in trouble when the rates start to climb again. Meanwhile, my second’s interest rate had risen. 

My mortgages had been from Countrywide and ended up being taken over by Bank of America. For a year in advance of my adjustment I had started calling to try to fix my rate. But we all know that the greedy banks have no interest in talking to you, especially if you are actually paying them like a good person. But it is luck of who answers the phone and one day I finally got an agent to say I did seem to qualify for the Making Home Affordable consideration since two thirds of my pay was going to mortgage. Long story shortened, for the last eight months I’ve been on the phones dealing with an inept bureaucracy that has been frustrating and brought me to the verge of tears several times. I’m sure many of you can relate. I was getting nowhere. 

Last week I saw that NACA was in Los Angeles and thousands of homeowners were lined up looking for mortgage help. NACA is the Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America, a non-profit group that assists homeowners to work with the lenders to come to mortgage agreements so people can keep their homes. Then NACA came to Sacramento starting on Friday. I was wary of going after I had seen the news about L.A. but on Friday night I saw that we were nowhere near as bad as the Los Angeles crowds. The news said that 25% of people get modifications on the spot and 80% of people leaving with some sort of positive result. Add the fact that I would be face to face with decision making bank representatives and I figured this was my best chance to get my modification. You see, I had a goal to get this mod done while my paychecks still reflected the 15% reduction due to our furlough.

Saturday morning I got up at 5 and to Cal Expo by 6. I was immediately disgusted that they were collecting $10 to park when this is supposed to help financially struggling people. Then I entered to see that the lot was filled wit a lot of cars and evidence that people were sleeping in many of them. I made my way to a lengthy line forming outside and was told to go to the first tent for orientation.

Orientation

At orientation they go over what NACA is and how they hope to help you. About halfway through I left to go get into the counseling line. Bad idea. Turns out they handed out the numbers to you at the end of the orientation. So stay for the whole thing.

Counseling

Now starts the longest wait of the whole process. Even though the counselors work 24/7, the line takes HOURS to wait in and when the shift changes at around 4, there are a lot less night operators on and so the line goes even slower. You can easily expect to wait 12-18 hours for this stage alone.  As you get close to the counseling you will have your documents scanned into the system. You need to have your paycheck, mortgage statement, property tax  and homeowner’s insurance forms. If you have other considerations like bankruptcy, foreclosure notices, etc., you’ll need those too. After your items are scanned you just wait to be called to an open counselor phone. I was lucky. I got my counselor on my line within five minutes. Others sat on hold for half an hour or more. The counselor looks at all your stuff, asks you questions, and rearranges your budget in a way that will hopefully work to your best advantage for the lender to help you out. This was where I knew I was on the borderline. I can pay my mortgage and live OK, but I barely have any extra funds and any little extra has to go on the credit card (like my dental crown this summer). As I said, I was just trying to fix my rate so that in the future, as rates increased, I wouldn’t get into real trouble.  At the end of the counseling you get a printout of your budget and are cleared to talk to your bank.

Bankers

It’s another wait for the bank line. Unlike the counselors, the banks are only working from about 8 to 8 each day. NACA actually calls this step Servicing because it is with your loan servicer, usually a bank. All of the big banks had representatives there. Bank of America had a large group, thank goodness. Everyone gets sent to wait in their bank's servicing area. It is there that we were told that our loans are serviced by Bank of America (or your bank) but that the loan actually belongs to someone else – be it FannyMae, FreddieMac, FHA, or even a group of private investors who bought loan packages. As has become clear over the years, these loans can be considered gambling/speculation. They are taking the loans as investments. Either they make money off of your interest or they hope that you default and they get the house to sell again and make more money off of. Each owner organization has their own rules about how much they are willing to change and modify your loan. Some are nicer than others. 

In my case it turns out that both of my loans fell under private ownership. I sat down with Vickie for almost three hours as she quietly played with my numbers on both loans to get me the best deal that she could. We made pleasant chit chat when the computers were slow. She lives in North Carolina and was ending a two-week stint between the L.A. and Sacramento events. They put in long, 18-hour days to help all the thousands who attend. I was a bit nervous. I had plenty of income. Would they still work with me? There were constant testimonials of people who had their interest reduced to 2% or they were going to save $1200 a month. Would I get anything at all?

Success!

Yes! It took almost 24 total hours, but I got exactly what I wanted. My first went up a slight bit from 3.25 to 3.75% - but it was fixed! Then my second went down from 8.25% adjustable to 4% fixed. My total monthly payments are only about $150 lower a month, but they're fixed! I can relax in knowing it will never change! And one more bonus – I don’t have a November payment! So I can take my November pay and use it to pay off my credit card!

Volunteering – the well worth it secret

OK, so after reading this you decide that you are willing to put in to put in the long hours to get your loan modified. Volunteer! This only works if you see that the crowd is huge in front of you. If you are going to be waiting for at least 12 hours, isn’t better to be doing something instead of getting a sore ass on folding chairs? If you volunteer you will then get priority for scanning and the counselor phones.

My volunteering did make a difference. First of all, I got number 52796 and on Saturday they closed the doors to everyone over 52000 and told them to come back on Sunday.  I volunteered and had my 8 hour shift from 8 to 4. I ended up doing data entry. There’s also ushering, translating, scanning, and more. I was lucky because I got to sit and had a lot of down time as well. I took a nap during my 45 minute lunch. It wasn’t that bad. After our shift ended we got taken to wait for scanning. Problem is, the day shift was done and the night shift has less than half the number of counselors. Now the lines move at a crawl. I had hoped to be out in a couple of hours but ended my night, finally, at 10:00. My phone time with the counselor was an hour. I was lucky. Some people were on the phone for two hours. 

As I left I asked someone who was now at the front of the normal line (waiting to be scanned) what time they had gotten there. They had gotten there at around 6:30, so about the same time as I had. But here I was done, with a number that wasn’t even allowed in until Sunday, and they were still waiting to scan.

You don’t have to go directly to banking. You can come back later to get in the bank line. So I went home and slept and took Sunday off. I figured that maybe the bank line and overall attendance would be less on Monday. I woke up this morning at 4 and headed off to get in line. They made me pay another damn $10 in parking. I got in a decent spot in line even though I knew about half of the group was also BOA. I finally got called up, pretty quickly after the bankers started, to see Vickie at about 9:30 and was finally checked out at 1:00. 

So the lesson is: Yes, NACA helps people and yes, volunteering can be worth your while.  PART 2, months later.

My only thoughts: Why couldn’t phone agents at the banks be as helpful and efficient as this event was? Why would I have had to deal with a year or more worth of frustration trying to get my loan modified (and probably denied) when I was able to get it done over a weekend? Why must so many millions of people be put through this bullshit that the banks, Wall Street, and speculators created? Why?